Streets of Rage: Rescue Metro City

Don Vecta wrote:Later on, I'll do a more detailed review and some technical advice if you plan to make another revision. So far, game looks awesome and just finished FF1 route.

Thank you, Don Vecta. If there is not too much work (unlike redrawing almost every stage ), I wiil release a 2.1.1 version!

Shiva wrote:New version? Downloading! Testing!

Thanx very much!

You are welcome. Download, test, play, and tell me!

Ya know, if I played mod and like it, I'm making a video of it!

Video will soon.

I have to say this is by far the most complete mod I've played up to this point. I've played all 3 routes, for the Normal & Classic versions. The level of originality & creativity in this mod is off the charts. Keep up the good work Tarma.

hi happy new year to all of you, sorry i cant download rescue metro city 2.1 with the last download link post here, someone can post another link like dropbox or 4shared please.

Only tried one road, and it is very enjoyable. Good work Tarma, as usual!

wawatu wrote:hi happy new year to all of you, sorry i cant download rescue metro city 2.1 with the last download link post here, someone can post another link like dropbox or 4shared please.

This should work better than the either of the 2 filesites you mentioned

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKJG1EKSBC2NXdpTFRIMWVlN2c/view?usp=sharing

Nice to see Abadede losing his two clones in the boxing ring - however it's still the toughest fight in the entire game by some distance...on stage 2 of 24. (maybe he should be alone now because of that)

Okay, so I finally played the whole three routes, here's some feedback.

• Keep a theme of your thugs. Your enemies are just there, but they look randomized in palette/name. Try to pick a name and a color scheme and make that thug exclusive during that area or something. That doesn't make you feel like you just randomized your characters with names/palettes (I'm using my own Final fight CD palettes, but still looks too randomized)
  
• Put your initial thugs waiting at the beginning of the scene. Yeah, cuz this is a recurrent (and rather annoying) thing, that your player character is still walking to the area and the thugs are already swarming around him (they won't attack, but they will as soon you get control, and still they might have the upper hand). Put them in standing, sitting, or any special waiting intro. Also, as tip, do NOT use Jack enemies at the beginning cuz they'll laugh (even if you set them waiting) and they'll charge to you (or throw you knives). This is a v5.1 bug.
  
• It is possible to create non-scrolling rooms. Yeah, I mean, for areas that don't need to go further, like the Andore cage matches (I saw you added equivalent of them in the other routes, I loved them) or inside the convenience store. I wrote a tutorial here (probably overlooked), but works great in v5.1. Give it a try.
  
• Many areas can use the breakable doors trick. I know you used it perfectly in FF1 stage 1, but you could try other areas as well... like the bar door from FF3. Now you see the original layer has a transparent door, either you can put an enemy behind or simply you can break it to get in (like in the original FF3). You could try this in the prison cell wall from stage 1-2 of FF3... or placing the green fences in stage 2-2 from FF2... or the breakable computers from the factory in FF3... the ideas are plenty to use this new feature!
  
• Tweak some boss fights. Considering how the new grab properties of enemies have increased and also the values of others have made some bosses incredibly tougher (or weaker), I might suggest you to revisit your boss fights. Definitely the Sodom ring battle with Abadede and the kickboxers should be toned down (in 2p mode, you get two fucking Abadedes along with 3 kickboxers! Honestly that's final boss material there! I know, I've tried that!), same with the R. Bear fight at Bratken's (remove the 2p second Bear and the second Abadede and put another tough sub-boss enemy instead), while some areas are easier for their levels (Ash and some low level mooks at the FF3 Boat area, for example). Also, remember that after you put all the boss/sub-boss matches at the stages 8, place energies right after facing them (this goes also for the Barbons cage matches, after them, there's no health pick ups and Barbon is A LOT tougher now!).
  

I guess that's it, I loved the new stuff like the Barbons cage matches in all routes, the breakable glasses in the bonus stage, the new elevator at the final stage in FF3 (you could try also that in the elevator of FF1, though, just a thought). All and all, this is one of the coolest mods so far. Great job!

There are 2 folders in the rar. Is the RMC Classic folder the same or the old version?

Garcia, one of them is original version of mod and second mod is Classic (contains some classical elements from Final Fight).

I found a nasty glitch at stage 3 scene 13: there is green collision map color all over the map, i can't go to the alternate route in the bar and i can't pick up the bottle near the bar door. Also, the Soozies pouring out the bar are stuck walking on invisible walls. At scene 14 too, when it begins the player sprite cannot walk further, but the Garcia-1 near the end of the screen can  If i move the start point, he and the sitting Signals too are stuck while walking

Tarma, green color in collision maps means walls, could you put blue color there please? specially scene 14 because that crap blocks scrolling

Garcia75 wrote:I found a nasty glitch at stage 3 scene 13: there is green collision map color all over the map, i can't go to the alternate route in the bar and i can't pick up the bottle near the bar door. Also, the Soozies pouring out the bar are stuck walking on invisible walls. At scene 14 too, when it begins the player sprite cannot walk further, but the Garcia-1 near the end of the screen can  If i move the start point, he and the sitting Signals too are stuck while walking

Tarma, green color in collision maps means walls, could you put blue color there please? specially scene 14 because that crap blocks scrolling

I'm kinda puzzled, scene 3-13 is NOT supposed to have a collision map. Did you overwrite from older versions, by any chance? I suggest you remove any map from stage 3-13 and the stage should work normally.

EDIT: I'm checking old builds right now and it is VERY probably you just overwrote an old build with the new content. I highly suggest you to put the whole folders separatedly and rename the folders Rescue Metro City v2.1 and Rescue Metro City Classic v2.1. The layout is different from older versions and the stage 3-13 (stage3m in the in-game folders) in older layouts was the bar while the bar is stage 3-15 in the new layout. In v2.1 stage 3-13 is the street and it's not supposed to have any map.

Scene 14 is also glitchy, the player cannot scroll when it starts

yeah, i overwrote after downloading  the crap comes due to stage3m_map.fpg and stage3n_map.fpg present

Garcia75 wrote:Scene 14 is also glitchy, the player cannot scroll when it starts

yeah, i overwrote after downloading  the crap comes due to stage3m_map.fpg and stage3n_map.fpg present

Yup, it's glitchy cuz it's not supposed to be overwritten. Once again, unrar everything in a whole fresh folder and you'll be fine.

EDIT: Move your save file into the new folder so you don't lose your progress and keep going from where you got stuck, so not everything is lost.

Don Vecta wrote:

 unrar everything in a whole fresh folder and you'll be fine.

I just removed the collision map files and that was sufficient to overcome the shit

Garcia75 wrote:

Don Vecta wrote:

 unrar everything in a whole fresh folder and you'll be fine.

I just removed the collision map files and that was sufficient to overcome the shit

 I really suggest you to do what I recommended cuz this could clash in other areas and maps as well. The order of the stages got altered and you might face more conflicts. Anyways, as long is playable, do what you consider works.

Thank for your feedback Don Vecta.

Okay, I will release a 2.1.1 version withs fixes.

Anyways, I don't understand this very well:

Don Vecta wrote:[*]Keep a theme of your thugs. Your enemies are just there, but they look randomized in palette/name. Try to pick a name and a color scheme and make that thug exclusive during that area or something. That doesn't make you feel like you just randomized your characters with names/palettes (I'm using my own Final fight CD palettes, but still looks too randomized)

I mean, don't just randomize palette/names on enemies. Create an enemy with a specific palette and name and use it through the game, that keeps more order so the enemies don't look randomly placed.

Don Vecta wrote:

bazzza wrote:

Don Vecta wrote:I think I could use a mirror. I'm on my 6th attempt and only get a broken rar file. Pretty please?

EDIT: FUCK FILEDROPPER (more like drop in their fucking ass!) I'm in my 14th attempt and this piece of shit keeps breaking! Yeah, I'm pretty fed of this shit, waste of time and bandwidth!

Try this Donnie.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwKJG1EKSBC2NXdpTFRIMWVlN2c/view?usp=sharing

You sir, is awesome! Thank you, thank you.

EDIT: Okay, I'm playing it, game has a gamebreaker. Some Signal-1 is stuck somewhere else at Industrial Area and not even an enemy drop will wake him up. Oddly enough, his shadow is walking up there.

Just ran into this myself, there's definitely something triggering this. I played with cpu partner when it happened.

A nice run with a bottom tier character: Skate-3. I have no idea who the player is, but I never saw a decent Skate-3 player until now. Mania run.


Interesting palette, I must say. I like it, very early 90's.

Don Vecta wrote:A nice run with a bottom tier character: Skate-3. I have no idea who the player is, but I never saw a decent Skate-3 player until now. Mania run.


Interesting palette, I must say. I like it, very early 90's.

I would not say Skate-3 is totally bad. He does have some nice traits - his forward and backward throws are really good (I'd probably say his throws are slightly stronger than Skate-2's), really good weapon game, a solid forward special, and tons of movement options. His gameplay (as well as Skate-2) are very different from the other characters, and for that matter every other beat-em-up character ever, which makes him hard to pick up. Personally, I find him very satisfying to play as. Unfortunately, compared to Skate-2, Skate-3 is a wuss.

TheWolfe wrote:I would not say Skate-3 is totally bad. He does have some nice traits - his forward and backward throws are really good (I'd probably say his throws are slightly stronger than Skate-2's), really good weapon game, a solid forward special, and tons of movement options. His gameplay (as well as Skate-2) are very different from the other characters, and for that matter every other beat-em-up character ever, which makes him hard to pick up. Personally, I find him very satisfying to play as. Unfortunately, compared to Skate-2, Skate-3 is a wuss.

Actually, I'm agreeing both DV and you, and (I might be wrong) but I think you are agree too, so let me try to "translate". As you said Skate-3 is totally overshadow by Skate-2, they have roughly the same gameplay (same gaming identity) and one deal just way more damage overall than the other. Skate 3 has very few stuff to make him shine and that (from a social point of view) makes him just plain bad, and that's why DV ranked him lower tiers (and I ranked him low tiers too). You have no real reason to play him instead of Skate 2 outside from audiovisual taste.

The thing is, as you said, Skate has a lot of gaming identity compare to many characters of many final fight model beat em up. Actually, Skate, Linn Kurosawa and most characters from Denjin Makai II are really appart from any other Final Fight model archetype characters. They break the scale in many gaming clusters. Exactly like Haggar did in 1989.

That's why Skate, (the character in itself, wether 2 or 3), is very appealing, he has his very own gameplay and this is why even though is not the best character in the game (even Skate 2 is not) there will be skate player. Because he has a sharpen/polish gaming identity and a cool audiovisual lore to support it.

Excellent way of phrasing it BigDarsh.

Both Skates suffer from weak neutral game and many of his better attacks leave him heavily exposed, but he knows how to kick ass with style.

@Tarma:

There was a certain issue I found when playing this MOD on the FF1 route - I can't get to the boss of Stage 4 for some reason; my character presumes to move to the next screen, only to get stuck doing a special move over and over again and the scene never changes. What might be causing that, and can that be addressed?

I hope it can, because I'd like to play and properly beat this awesome MOD of yours, someday.

I.R.S. wrote:@Tarma:

There was a certain issue I found when playing this MOD on the FF1 route - I can't get to the boss of Stage 4 for some reason; my character presumes to move to the next screen, only to get stuck doing a special move over and over again and the scene never changes. What might be causing that, and can that be addressed?

I hope it can, because I'd like to play and properly beat this awesome MOD of yours, someday.

That bug is from an old build of SORR, try playing with SORR v5.1 and you won't encounter this issue anymore... and you'll also find the most awesome features on mods as of yet.