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Post  BigDarsh Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:27 pm

Now I see that I've been just a fool to think that a so extensive data base website was made with fair community practices.

Thank you for teaching me, I'm not really affected anymore to what he did to my work after reading all your messages. He deserve a cr*ppy damage data Razz

I keep my good work on this forum, and I now know where the "real" sor community is. Idea
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Post  Saven Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:30 pm

BigDarsh wrote:Now I see that I've been just a fool to think that a so extensive data base website was made with fair community practices.

Thank you for teaching me, I'm not really affected anymore to what he did to my work after reading all your messages. He deserve a cr*ppy damage data Razz

I keep my good work on this forum, and I now know where the "real" sor community is. Idea

You are always welcomed here. Smile
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Post  Xenovant Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:32 pm

Saven wrote:
You are always welcomed here. Smile

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Post  Mr.Din Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:59 am

BigDarsh wrote:I don't know where to speak about this, and I don't want to create a new topic since maybe some of you just don't give a damn to what I will say...

During last autumn, I've contacted Matthew J.Drury SoR online administrator. I think his website is a real shrine dedicate to SoRFan and I respect it, him and his work a lot (and I do mean "A LOT").

I've contacted him to know if he was interested in publishing the damage data I gathered for SoRRv5 on his website. He answer me that he would be interested and I told him I will update everything, made a total refont to have something more reliable and readable and then send him the document.

I mailed him few days ago to told him I finally finished it, with a lot of apologize for being late (lots of work on my website, but who care?). I was still waiting for his answering when I saw this:
http://www.sor online.net/sorr_moves.htm [remove the blank to get redirected]

Not a mail, not a word, not a PM nothing. I didn't even know when this was published.
I'm not credited and I just don't f*cking care about being credited.

What makes me sad is that some data are corrupted (wrong value inputed by "random people"), some of my mistakes that have been corrected in my last update are published and on top of that, illustrations are not finished.

I think this is not respectful neither for SoR Users who deserve a correct and finish work, nor for people who gathered the data (and I do it alone since no-one helped me, and I'm ok with it, don't worry).

ie: What if I downloaded a mod from lucasHB then freely changing stuff in it, publishing it on my website and then crediting "thanks for SoRR community".

How would you feel? Maybe something like "unfair"...
This neither anger nor rage that I feel. Only sadness and disappointement. Publishing a work on SoR online was a dream for me, and what I see is just b*llshit compare to what Truncated made for SoR2 and 3.

Thank you for reading...

I saw this as well though I myself thought all the data was gathered by multiple users much like the move lists, character breakdowns etc. Either way this isn't cool and I will notify him about this. HOPEFULLY something can be worked out, he is a member here isn't he? Neutral

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Post  Matt D Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:09 am

Wow, the existing moves list on the site was just a placeholder which I intended to update with BigDarsh's new data which I have now received in email, sorry for not immediately responding but my stepfather who I live with has just been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer ad I haven't had time to even think about SOR online anytime recently.

Seriously I don't have time for this anymore, I will be seriously considering throwing in the towel with all this bullshit sometime soon, I just don't need it.

If the real SOR community is at forumotion and it's such a popular opinion then bollocks to it, don't expect to be accessing SOR online for much longer, all the fucking time and effort I put into it and for what?

Waste of time, mate the community will be better off without the site. Fuck this.
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Post  BigDarsh Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:44 am

I'm really sorry for what happen to your stepfather, I mean it. I do have some problem too and I know how hard it is to get a top notch website as extenisve as yours.

Do what you want for your website even if I think that destroying a website is always bad since users just don't care, they want data base on the internet and they deserve to have it (this is the way i see the world, ego = b*llshit / internet = community work).

If you are curious about my life: someone destroy my website during last december: 6 months of hard work publishing tutorials for fighting games throw in the trash can by the administrator without even ask me for backup first.

So I'm a bit fed up and sick and tired by all of this by now. Publishing on your website was a dream for me but do what you want, credit me if you want, destroy your site if you want, corrupt the data if you want: I just do not care anymore.

Take care of your family and I wish you the best and I do think that (don't trust me if you want but I mean it).


Edit: Flamewar is not the key... never...


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Post  Matt D Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:52 am

BigDarsh wrote:I'm really sorry for what happen to your stepfather, I mean it. I do have some problem too and I know how hard it is to get a top notch website as extenisve as yours.

Do what you want for your website even if I think that destroying a website is always bad since users just don't care, they want data base on the internet and they deserve to have it (this is the way i see the world, ego = b*llshit / internet = community work).

If you are curious about my life: someone destroy my website during last december: 6 months of hard work publishing tutorials for fighting games throw in the trash can by the administrator without even ask me for backup first.

So I'm a bit fed up and sick and tired by all of this by now. Publishing on your website was a dream for me but do what you want, credit me if you want, destroy your site if you want, corrupt the data if you want: I just do not care anymore.

Take care of your family and I wish you the best and I do think that (don't trust me if you want but I mean it).



I will credit you properly on the next site update Darsh, I apologise for being blunt but this really was the last thing on my mind right now. I will keep running the site as it is popular and gets almost 1500 unique visitors per day from across the entire world and gets more popular all the time, I will continue my work as I always have because I know people like you do appreciate it, even if I'm hated by this board. Meh. This is my last post here jocolor
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Post  Mr.Din Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:59 am

is it possible to shut up about the ports? I mean seriously he threw in a line of credit to himself but who in the fuck KNEW the ports were still going before he posted a thing about them? I sure as hell didn't and they weren't posted here either until after the fact. backhanded method of posting them aside it did bring more attention to them. All of this shit is stupid, you can all act like everything is gravy if you want but I'm just seeing a bunch of stupid mud slinging between sites that's COMPLETELY unnecessary. Both sites are awesome can't we just shut the fuck up and enjoy SoR? you know speak with each other about these so called problems like actual people?

All this bitching over bits of text.

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Post  Don Vecta Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:03 pm

I guess it's better to put in clear the position of our community about all this drama. Here nobody hates anybody. Hating on internet is stupid. Done saying that, though, there are questionable actions that might put the web in rather frowned upon terms from us.

The ports issue was a huge disrespect to the creators of those. If none of us were calling you out for that in the facebook page, I'm rather sure the files would have been like they were intended to be: to give credit to Eidolon (which happens to be you), a very false credit.

The BigDarsh issue here also brings a rather questionable perspective. Placeholder or not, his material shouldn't have been posted until the final version and the proper credit would be displayed. That's a basic rule of respect and courtesy. We all have problems in our respective private life and sometimes we don't have time to deal with things online as we should, but then again, that's not pretext to simply wait until the proper things are done. Once again, if BigDarsh here didn't mention this issue publicly maybe things wouldn't be changed.

I personally have no beef towards you or anyone within your crew, but your OWN actions have left us distrustful and wary of what you do with SORR content. We don't appreciate have the stuff discredited, regardless if it wasn't intended to be or not. We don't care about excuses, we honestly don't care about your private life (probly the same way you don't care about ours either), if you decide to close your site it's your choice and it's solely your responsibility if you do so. Stop pointing fingers to others from the reactions that our community has from your actions. Only irresponsible people do that. None of us ever messed with *** and I guess we never will. But don't blame us from feeling defensive and distrustful against you because, to be frank, all this brought it yourself.

I said this before and I'll say it again for the record: NOBODY HERE HAS ANYTHING AGAINST YOU OR YOUR SITE. It's up to you whether you believe it or not. However, we are neither interested in have to do anything with it either. There is people who frequent both sites and diversity it's always a good thing. I personally respect part of the exposure you've done for the game including my mods, but I don't like people taking the credit that others deserve. That ain't right.

So, the fate you decide to your site it's up to you. Feel free to walk your own path and I'm sure you'll always have people following you and your site, but please leave us go our own too. Let's leave things in peace without beef or passive-aggressive actions, keep the respect but... each of us in our own way.

That's all, once again I say for the third time THIS AIN'T PERSONAL. That's it. Good luck to you.

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Post  Xenovant Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:27 pm

Don Vecta wrote:I guess it's better to put in clear the position of our community about all this drama. Here nobody hates anybody. Hating on internet is stupid. Done saying that, though, there are questionable actions that might put the web in rather frowned upon terms from us.

The ports issue was a huge disrespect to the creators of those. If none of us were calling you out for that in the facebook page, I'm rather sure the files would have been like they were intended to be: to give credit to Eidolon (which happens to be you), a very false credit.

The BigDarsh issue here also brings a rather questionable perspective. Placeholder or not, his material shouldn't have been posted until the final version and the proper credit would be displayed. That's a basic rule of respect and courtesy. We all have problems in our respective private life and sometimes we don't have time to deal with things online as we should, but then again, that's not pretext to simply wait until the proper things are done. Once again, if BigDarsh here didn't mention this issue publicly maybe things wouldn't be changed.

I personally have no beef towards you or anyone within your crew, but your OWN actions have left us distrustful and wary of what you do with SORR content. We don't appreciate have the stuff discredited, regardless if it wasn't intended to be or not. We don't care about excuses, we honestly don't care about your private life (probly the same way you don't care about ours either), if you decide to close your site it's your choice and it's solely your responsibility if you do so. Stop pointing fingers to others from the reactions that our community has from your actions. Only irresponsible people do that. None of us ever messed with *** and I guess we never will. But don't blame us from feeling defensive and distrustful against you because, to be frank, all this brought it yourself.

I said this before and I'll say it again for the record: NOBODY HERE HAS ANYTHING AGAINST YOU OR YOUR SITE. It's up to you whether you believe it or not. However, we are neither interested in have to do anything with it either. There is people who frequent both sites and diversity it's always a good thing. I personally respect part of the exposure you've done for the game including my mods, but I don't like people taking the credit that others deserve. That ain't right.

So, the fate you decide to your site it's up to you. Feel free to walk your own path and I'm sure you'll always have people following you and your site, but please leave us go our own too. Let's leave things in peace without beef or passive-aggressive actions, keep the respect but... each of us in our own way.

That's all, once again I say for the third time THIS AIN'T PERSONAL. That's it. Good luck to you.

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Post  badjab326 Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:32 pm

DV said it best. Shutting down your site is only gonna make things worse by doing something negative to your real fanbase. Honestly you shouldn't give a fuck about what anyone says, and keep the site going to the best of your ability, that's what the best admins do.

You really can't blame anyone for being suspicious given your track record. It's like how I used to live in Detroit and was suspicious of everyone since the track record of Detroit as a whole is awful. Just because I hadn't been robbed the last 2 years I lived there didn't mean I was letting my guard down to be robbed again.

And I'm sorry about your pops, but you can't blame us for being uninformed. Especially when you have time to post "RIP Lucasarts" and how crappy your job is instead of this seemingly much more important matter.

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Post  NeoVamp Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:42 pm

Charco wrote:Thank god The Walking Dead is finally over. I will never watch this steaming turd of a tv show again.


Meh, I liked the last episode, and seeing
Spoiler:

And what was up with Maggie being raped or not? it's like they were afraid to go there fully,
at first they were like "no she was not raped" but then they were like "or was she?"
and she was like "nono wasn't raped" but then she was all "or was i?"

I mean.. I know some people enjoy their rape fanfics, but I do not.

Enjoyable show, but.. I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, although seeing Carl..

Spoiler:

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Post  Mr.Din Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:17 am

badjab326 wrote:DV said it best. Shutting down your site is only gonna make things worse by doing something negative to your real fanbase. Honestly you shouldn't give a fuck about what anyone says, and keep the site going to the best of your ability, that's what the best admins do.

You really can't blame anyone for being suspicious given your track record. It's like how I used to live in Detroit and was suspicious of everyone since the track record of Detroit as a whole is awful. Just because I hadn't been robbed the last 2 years I lived there didn't mean I was letting my guard down to be robbed again.

And I'm sorry about your pops, but you can't blame us for being uninformed. Especially when you have time to post "RIP Lucasarts" and how crappy your job is instead of this seemingly much more important matter.
I don't think something that personal really needs to be spoken about, I don't even see it viable here despite being an explanation for his absence. Suspicious is one thing but bandwagoning like in this case where BigDarsh actually made a legit complaint about something is stupid. Willing to bet half of the members doing it here don't even know much of shit about why all this started in the first place. I'm a Mod at SoRO and even when matt himself says some crap I step in and say something. Why is it someone who supposedly has no relevance here get talked about so much then to top it off all these smug ass backhanded comments that everyone KNOWS is going to start some shit but then members bitch and complain when he retaliates? The shit is worse than the sonic cycle at this point.

Anyway I agree DV said it best, it's better to agree to disagree. It's 2013 this dates back FOREVER ago and even this community has a grand history of BS including starting this over some fan novels that no one was forced to read. Rolling Eyes This isn't some defensive post either, I can't vouch for Matt but quite a few members on both sides of the community are just as annoyed by the stupidity of it all as I am.

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Post  badjab326 Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:43 am

Mr.Din wrote:
badjab326 wrote:DV said it best. Shutting down your site is only gonna make things worse by doing something negative to your real fanbase. Honestly you shouldn't give a fuck about what anyone says, and keep the site going to the best of your ability, that's what the best admins do.

You really can't blame anyone for being suspicious given your track record. It's like how I used to live in Detroit and was suspicious of everyone since the track record of Detroit as a whole is awful. Just because I hadn't been robbed the last 2 years I lived there didn't mean I was letting my guard down to be robbed again.

And I'm sorry about your pops, but you can't blame us for being uninformed. Especially when you have time to post "RIP Lucasarts" and how crappy your job is instead of this seemingly much more important matter.
I don't think something that personal really needs to be spoken about, I don't even see it viable here despite being an explanation for his absence. Suspicious is one thing but bandwagoning like in this case where BigDarsh actually made a legit complaint about something is stupid. Willing to bet half of the members doing it here don't even know much of shit about why all this started in the first place. I'm a Mod at SoRO and even when matt himself says some crap I step in and say something. Why is it someone who supposedly has no relevance here get talked about so much then to top it off all these smug ass backhanded comments that everyone KNOWS is going to start some shit but then members bitch and complain when he retaliates? The shit is worse than the sonic cycle at this point.

Anyway I agree DV said it best, it's better to agree to disagree. It's 2013 this dates back FOREVER ago and even this community has a grand history of BS including starting this over some fan novels that no one was forced to read. Rolling Eyes This isn't some defensive post either, I can't vouch for Matt but quite a few members on both sides of the community are just as annoyed by the stupidity of it all as I am.

Not here, but on social media it seems like it'd be a pretty big deal. I mean it's not the first thing I'd think to do in that situation, but it's the quickest way to let family know. It's not smug, or backhanded to inform someone of something that has happened on MULTIPLE occasions. I agree the novels aren't worth bringing up anymore, but perhaps you forgot the time he decided to pose as Johnny Hughson to give himself the official blessing to continue ***? Or the time he made the horrible decision to make Red Rum an Admin? There's a bunch more I won't bother bringing up, but it doesn't just stem from some childhood mistake he made. Not that any of this is a valid reason for anyone to have a personal vendetta against the guy, but it's more than enough to steer us away from the site, and jump to conclusions when something smells fishy. Hell I was a member and a mod at his site, personally I liked working with him at the time. But his repeated poor decisions made me not want to be involved anymore.

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Post  Charco Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:49 am

NeoVamp wrote:And what was up with Maggie being raped or not? it's like they were afraid to go there fully, at first they were like "no she was not raped" but then they were like "or was she?"
and she was like "nono wasn't raped" but then she was all "or was i?"

I mean.. I know some people enjoy their rape fanfics, but I do not.

Enjoyable show, but.. I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, although seeing Carl..

The season had such poor writing, it's just when you compare it to a real tv show it's laughable. I watch a zombie show to see zombies, not poorly written drama. Show us the zombies.

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Post  Mr.Din Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:58 am

badjab326 wrote:Not here, but on social media it seems like it'd be a pretty big deal.

It still sucks though, there stuff I don't even bother sharing on anything so I kinda don't see it viable to expect out of someone else
I mean it's not the first thing I'd think to do in that situation, but it's the quickest way to let family know. It's not smug, or backhanded to inform someone of something that has happened on MULTIPLE occasions. I agree the novels aren't worth bringing up anymore, but There's a bunch more I won't bother bringing up, but it doesn't just stem from some childhood mistake he made. Not that any of this is a valid reason for anyone to have a personal vendetta against the guy, but it's more than enough to steer us away from the site, and jump to conclusions when something smells fishy. Hell I was a member and a mod at his site, personally I liked working with him at the time. But his repeated poor decisions made me not want to be involved anymore.
I'm not really disagreeing with any of that, I was in the same position but...
perhaps you forgot the time he decided to pose as Johnny Hughson to give himself the official blessing to continue ***?
as suspicious as it seems there's still no proof honestly and I was suspicious of it myself among other things.

Or the time he made the horrible decision to make Red Rum an Admin?
LOL red rum, I don't really think we should count that against him, that was more poor judgment than anything else. Though I know a little more on why that happened, it was stupid but honestly that's a little more laughable than anything else.

Though more importantly it's just simply old, if something he does is THAT bad then confront him on his boards, what's he going to do, ban someone? that only makes it look bad on his part. I disagree on the part where if such and such hadn't been said nothing would've happened, if BigDarsh mentioned this on SoRO or even the ports themselves mentioned by someone else it could've been addressed there the staff is cool people, hell Mr.X Neo is an admin and I'm a Mod. Nobody is going to miss it who goes to those boards. If the problem is going to be attacked hit the source otherwise do as you say, you have no interest so ignore it. All this does is go in circles and really not to pull out the rule book but....

4. No personal discussions, no references to other sites or banned members for the purposes of flaming.
just saying, rules should be enforced.

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Post  badjab326 Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:37 am

Mr.Din wrote:
badjab326 wrote:Not here, but on social media it seems like it'd be a pretty big deal.

It still sucks though, there stuff I don't even bother sharing on anything so I kinda don't see it viable to expect out of someone else
I mean it's not the first thing I'd think to do in that situation, but it's the quickest way to let family know. It's not smug, or backhanded to inform someone of something that has happened on MULTIPLE occasions. I agree the novels aren't worth bringing up anymore, but There's a bunch more I won't bother bringing up, but it doesn't just stem from some childhood mistake he made. Not that any of this is a valid reason for anyone to have a personal vendetta against the guy, but it's more than enough to steer us away from the site, and jump to conclusions when something smells fishy. Hell I was a member and a mod at his site, personally I liked working with him at the time. But his repeated poor decisions made me not want to be involved anymore.
I'm not really disagreeing with any of that, I was in the same position but...
perhaps you forgot the time he decided to pose as Johnny Hughson to give himself the official blessing to continue ***?
as suspicious as it seems there's still no proof honestly and I was suspicious of it myself among other things.

iirc he admitted it publicly. But honestly you're right it's not worth discussing anymore since the current issues have been cleared up. My only point was that assumptions are made based on facts and history, and nobody was in the wrong for making those assumptions.

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Post  iceweb38 Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:06 pm

If I can add my two cents in this, is that *** has been shaping up nicely as a comprehensive website with its own community so why not focusing on it?
It's not like we have to be threaten of *** being closed or you leaving business everytime someone here has to say something negative about it because honestly, it's getting really old after a while. We already said we were our own independant community so we have no consequences to be blamed for in either your actions or the activity of ***.


Regarding the Walking Dead season 3 finale, is that I'm a lil dumbfounded about what went on with the last episode.
I mean I agree it's nice when the TV series brings new elements to the franchise or take an opposite direction from the comics on some points but what was I enjoying until then is that the TV series managed to keep a similar progress to the comics series while adding its own touches, which didn't happen there.
I have no idea what Andrea's death will bring to the story and more importantly how is Season 4 gonna shape up with Rick taking care of the Woodbury crew and the Governon no longer being that big of a threat IMO, with only his two sergeants on his side.

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Post  cabo-hicks Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:10 pm

im sorry for your stepfather disease. fucking cancer... Sad

listen matt, i see clear 2 things here.

1) the good: sor-net as a really good place, with lot of sor things inside, very valuable. and a very interesting hacking community there.


2) the bad: some actions taken there, that can make easily that people dislikes you... or create conflicts so easily.

like that of put that those sorr ports releases was "exclusive" from your site, when they comes from different places from almost one year ago. and more knowing that if the sorrv5 pc game is protected, then only one person can update it... Rolling Eyes
that looks disrespectfull to the original creators. and sure will causes a lot of troubles.

but if you simply upgrade the games to the 0.5a patch... is ok, then explain clear that and put the credits for the original makers of those ports, and then say that you updated they to that version using the patch.
really, is very easy avoid this kind of fights/bad rolls...


by this way, none will be wrong/hungry with you. and the people only will see sor-net, as a cool website that have lots of interesting things recopilated. with none bad rolls.

honestly, im sure that taking care and showing transparency in this kind of credits things, sure that none bad thing must happen.


apart of this, i think that is a true pity that we the sor fans fights beetwhen us. is absurd and really i feel like in a kindergarten...
this is so sad. and apart sure that give a really poor image to else visitor who comes here or there. Sad

i like every sor site, that put their efforts in show sor content. and every sor site have good people working.
from look for old prototypes screenshots in magazines, and make drawings... to making hacks, mods, or fangames... absolute brillant things that makes me feel proud and happy with the entire sor community.

and all is just for the community, cause i think that none of the places wins nothing with this.

at contrary, the poor bomberlink after 8 years of work, just receives a big slap in the face, and a menace from sega lawyers.
and only for make an incredible fangame that they simply never was the balls of make.
because sega just ignore the sor saga from 20 years ago. and they only wants to get out the remake for can sell us sor2 iphone or xbox versions, without nothing new from one 1992 year game. sigh...


anyway, i always try to imagine, how could be one joined sor comunity. where the different websites even mention the others places, and they have links to the other websites, and collaborates beetwhen all.

...that could be fantastic, and honestly i think is not hard to do, making the things correctly.


i think many times on this: sure that none of us when know the streets of rage games for the first time, could have dream or imagine, have all this incredible sor things that we have today...
damn, we must feel very happy for have all this!. and try at any cost of not enter or cause problems with the others no matter the raisons. just try respect the others and enjoy all the things we have.

so hecks, why we cant be friends? Razz
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Post  Don Vecta Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:21 am

*sigh* this is getting out of hand and quickly heated up. I am deleting posts that are escalating to dangerous levels. So let's leave it like that. We already have put clear our position towards the other site and won't be mentioning anything about this anymore. Be warned everyone, this conversation about SOR online it's over. Evil or Very Mad

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Post  Mr.Din Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:09 pm

just gave DDII wanderer a try, just the demo. the fuck did I just play?! Mad

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Post  Saven Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:47 am

Decided to go ahead and check out Wrestlemania 29 tonight. I haven't watched wrestling for many years so I decided that it shouldn't hurt watching at least one event. Besides it's the main event of the year, the Super Bowl, World Cup, etc. of the wrestling world, so it's going to be good fun to watch I thought.

That was easily the worst Wrestlemania I've seen in a long, long time. The only good match tonight was Undertaker/CM Punk. Other than that, it was meeeeeeeh. I was reminded quickly why I stopped watching wrestling eight years ago, it has gotten so stale.
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Post  Don Vecta Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:43 am

Saven wrote:Decided to go ahead and check out Wrestlemania 29 tonight. I haven't watched wrestling for many years so I decided that it shouldn't hurt watching at least one event. Besides it's the main event of the year, the Super Bowl, World Cup, etc. of the wrestling world, so it's going to be good fun to watch I thought.

That was easily the worst Wrestlemania I've seen in a long, long time. The only good match tonight was Undertaker/CM Punk. Other than that, it was meeeeeeeh. I was reminded quickly why I stopped watching wrestling eight years ago, it has gotten so stale.

Hmmm try Mexican lucha libre? Or Japanese wrestling?

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